Samuel Collier-4 to Samuel Collier-2

Samuel Collier-3 and wife Ellen Taylor-3 in the line of Samuel Colliers.

Timeline Ellen Taylor-3

Ellen Taylor-3

Timeline

• 15 Jan 1859. Birth Record. Born to James Taylor-4 and Elizabeth Johnson-4
• 20 Mar 1859. Baptismal Record. At St. Michael's in Flixton.
• 7 Apr 1861. UK Census Record. James Taylor-4 family on Green Lane in Flixton.
• 2 Apr 1871. UK Census Record. James Taylor-4 family in Davyhulme.
• 3 Apr 1881. UK Census Record. James Taylor-4 family in Davyhulme.
• 23 Oct 1886. Marriage record. Ellen Taylor-3 and Samuel Collier-3 (his Timeline)
  
• 9 May 1887. Birth record. First son, John Collier-2.
• 19 June 1887. Baptismal record. First son, John Collier-2.
• 6 Dec 1888. Birth record. Second son, Samuel Collier-2 (his Timeline)
  
• 3 Feb 1889. Baptismal record. Second son, Samuel Collier-2.
• 5 Apr 1891. UK Census Record. Living with mother and son Samuel on Brook Road.
• 31 Mar 1901. UK Census Record. Ellen Taylor-3. Living with both sons on Brook Road.
• 10 Dec 1909. Death Record. By epilepsy in the infirmary of the Patricroft Workhouse.

1859 Birth record of Ellen Taylor-3

Registration District: Barton upon Irwell

District of Stretford in the County of Lancaster.

15 January 1859

A baby girl, Ellen Taylor-3, born to Father James Taylor-4 (Farm Labourer) and Betty Taylor, formerly Johnson [Elizabeth Johnson-4].

Residence: Green Lane in Flixton.

1859 Baptism, Ellen Taylor-3

Baptism in the Parish Church of Flixton

in the County of Lancaster in 1859

20 March 1859

Ellen Taylor-3, child of James (Laborer) [James Taylor-4] and Betsy Taylor [Elizabeth Johnson-4] of Flixton.

Note: on same day, a cousin of Samuel Collier-3 (namely John Collier-3, son of Josiah Collier-4, i.e. a brother of Samuel Collier-4, and Ellen Kidd-3,) was baptized.

Microfilm:Flixton, St. Michael, MFPR 2094, p. 109 of Baptisms

1861 James Taylor-4 Family, UK Census

UK Census

7 April 1861

Township: Flixton

Ecclesiastical District: St. Michael's

Green Lane

• James Taylor-4, head, 27, agr labor, born Flixton, Lancashire
• Betsy Taylor [Elizabeth Johnson-4], wife, 30, born Flixton, Lancashire
• William Taylor-3, son, 4, born Flixton, Lancashire
• Ellen Taylor-3, daughter 2, born Flixton, Lancashire

1871 James Taylor-4 Family, UK census

UK Census

2 April 1871

Township: Barton

Village: Davyhulme

Ecclesiastical District: St. Catharine

• James Taylor-4, Head, 39 yrs, ag. Lab. born Lancashire Stretford
• Elizabeth Taylor [Elizabeth Johnson-4], Wife, 41, born Lancashire Stretford
• William Taylor-3, Son, 14, cotton weaver,born Lancashire Stretford
• Elenor (sic) Taylor [Ellen Taylor-3], Daughter, 12, scholar, born Lancashire Stretford
• Mary A. Taylor [MaryTaylor-3], Daughter, 1, born Lancashire Stretford

James Johnson, Lodger, Unmarried, 43, Agricultural labour, born Lancashire Stretford

1881 James Taylor-4 Family, UK Census

UK Census

3 April 1881

Township: Barton upon Irwell

Village: Davyhulme

Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Catherines

Bent Lanes

• James Taylor-4, head, Mar, Age 48, Farm Labourer, born Lancashire, Manchester
• Betty Taylor [Elizabeth Johnson-4], wife, Mar., Age 52, born Lancashire, Flixton
• William Taylor-3, son, unmarried, age 23, Carter, born in Lancashire, Flixton
• Ellen Taylor-3, daughter, unmarried, age 21, Cotton Weaver, born in Lancashire, Flixton

Lodger: James Johnson, unmarried, age 54, Farmer's labourer, born in Lancashire, Flixton.

Ellen Taylor-3 Marriage to Samuel Collier-3

23 October 1886

Marriage record: Ellen Taylor-3 and Samuel Collier-3

Ellen Taylor-3, Birth and Baptism of 2nd son, Samuel Collier-2

6 December 1888. Birth Record of Samuel Collier-2.

3 February 1889. Baptismal Record of Samuel Collier-2.

Ellen Taylor-3 in 1891 and 1901 UK census.

The 1891 census record of Ellen living with her younger son, Samuel Collier-2 at her mother's home [Elizabeth Johnson-4]. Note: her marital status given as "S" and not "M" or "Wid". Also she and her son Samuel listed with her maiden name "Taylor", clearly in error.

The 1901 census record of Ellen living with her two boys [Samuel Collier-2 and John Collier-2] at 62 Brook Road,Flixton. Note: her marital status given as "M" and not "Wid".

Ellen Taylor-3 Death Record

Registration District: Barton upon Irwell

1909 Death in the Sub-district of Barton in the County of Lancaster

When and where died: 10 December 1909, Workhouse Infirmary Patricroft

Name and surname: Ellen Taylor-3

Sex: Female

Age: 50

Occupation: Wife of Samuel Collier, [appears to be confusion between husband [deceased (see marriage record of Samuel Collier-2) and son here,] General Labourer of 54 Moorside Road, Flixton

Cause of Death: Epilepsy, certified by D. H.(?) Davidson, M.D.

Signature, description, and resident of the informant: [Illegible characters]nson, Master, Workhouse Patricroft

When Registered: 13 December 1909

2 April 1871 UK Census Samuel Collier-3

2 April 1871

UK Census
Registration District: Barton upon Irwell
Subregistration District: Barton
Civil Parish: Irlam
Village: Irlam

Of five servants on farm of James Gratrix family:

Samuel Collier-3
Age 14, farm labourer, born in Flixton, Lancashire

Joseph Taylor-3
Age17, farm labourer, born in Cross Bank, Lancashire

Note: this appears to be the brother of Samuel Collier-3's future wife Ellen Taylor-3!

1886 Samuel Collier-3 and Ellen Taylor-3 Marriage

Marriage at St. Michael's Church in Flixton, Lancaster

23 October 1886

Registration District: Barton upon Irwell

[Groom] Samuel Collier [Samuel Collier-3]

Age: 28 years, bachelor, laborer, residing in Flixton

Father's Name: Samuel Collier [Samuel Collier-4], Labourer

[Bride] Ellen Taylor [Ellen Taylor-3]

Age: 25 years, Spinster, residing in Flixton

Father's Name: James Taylor [James Taylor-4] , Labourer

Witnesses: Richard Hamer and Alice Peers.

Father of John Collier-2

Registration District: Barton upon Irwell

1887 Birth in the Subdistrict of Stretford in the County of Lancaster

• Entry Number: 485
• When and where born: Ninth May 1887, Brook Road, Flixton
• Name: John [John Collier-2]
• Sex: Boy
• Name and surname of father: Samuel Collier [Samuel Collier-3]
• Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Ellen Collier, formerly Taylor [Ellen Taylor-3]
• Occupation of father: Carter
• Signature, description and residence of informant: Ellen Collier, Mother, Brook Road, Flixton
• When registered: Sixteenth June 1887

Baptismal Record 1887, John Collier-2

Baptism in the Parish Church of Flixton

19 June 1887 of John Collier [John Collier-2].

Parents Samuel [Samuel Collier-3], laborer, and Ellen Collier [Ellen Taylor-3], residing Brook Road in Flixton.

Source: Microfilm:Flixton, St. Michael, MFPR 2094, p. 265 of Baptisms

The mysterious fate of Samuel Collier-3

What ever happened to Samuel Collier-3?

The "oral tradition" in the family is captured in the following excerpt from a letter written by my Aunt May to a cousin dated April 25, 1984:

"...Grandpa's father [Samuel Collier-3] came over to Windsor, Canada first, he was going to send for the rest of the family when he had saved the money. Before he could send for them he died.

After Uncle Harold and I were married we took Grandma [Anna Korda-2] & Grandpa [Samuel Collier-2] over to Windsor to look for the cemetary. Things had changed so much Grandpa couldn't find it..."

To date I have found no trace of Samuel Collier-3 in the Canadian Censuses, nor have I had any luck in finding a death record in Ontario for him. He does not appear in the English census for 1890 or 1900 with his wife Ellen Taylor-3 or his two sons either. This does not completely exclude the possibility that he was in England working away from the family after the birth of his second son, Samuel.

In the marriage record for Samuel Collier-2 and Lilian Winifred Marsden-2 of 27 June 1908, the father of the groom is given as a deceased stone quarryman Samuel Collier.

Bottom line

Time of Samuel Collier-3's death: sometime between Samuel Collier-2's birth (6 Dec 1888) and the latter's first marriage (27 June 1908).

Place of Samuel Collier-3's death: Canada seems pretty certain, the city of Windsor is what Samuel Collier-2 claimed, but it is worth noting that there is indeed a Windsor in Nova Scotia that would have been close to where other members of the Collier family were to have migrated.

High priority to find Samuel Collier-3's death record in Canada!

Parents of my Grandparents: Generation-3

In the first 100 postings I was able to assemble most of the materials I have regarding my four grandparents.

The upcoming postings will be devoted to the eight parents of my grandparents:

Parents of Samuel Collier-2:

• Samuel Collier-3
• Ellen Taylor-3

Parents of Anna Korda-2:

• Anton Korda-3
• Susan Czech-3

Parents of Felix Bober-2:

• Franz Bober-3
• Edna Zimiski-3

Parents of Pearl Grendziak-2:

• Lorenz Grendziak-3
• Mary Ann Steiwski-3

A Note on the Blog Structure

Blog Structure

I think of this blog as a journal that I am keeping as I proceed document by document through the genealogical record of my parents, Irwin Collier-1 and Antoinette Bober-1.



Generally I try to put a document (e.g. a census record) in one and only one posting, linking back to the original posting when needed.



With the image of a family tree in which my Generation-0 is the trunk in mind, I am proceeding from left to right for each generation, first the Collier branches and then the Bober branches. At the time of this particular posting, I am at the level of Generation-2, i.e. my grandparents, from left to right: Samuel Collier-2, Anna Korda-2, Felix Bober-2, and Pearl Grendziak-2.



After I add a few more postings to complete Pearl Grendziak-2 (for now), I will turn to Generation-3, my great-grandparents: Samuel Collier-3, Ellen Taylor-3, Anton Korda-3, Susan Czech-3, Franz Bober-3 etc.

Summary:

• Each posting is dedicated to a single historical document.


• I attempt to keep postings for a particular individual in a consecutive historical sequence (trick: click on the individual's label at the bottom of a posting to make sure you have all postings in which that individual's name is included)


• The blog proceeds from the bottom of the family tree to the top, a generation at a time and from the Collier-Korda to the Bober-Grendziak branches of the family within each generation.

1984 Letter from Aunt May to a nephew-0

April 25, 1984

Dear [Nephew-0],

It was so nice to hear from you. What a grand idea you have, wanting to find out more about Grandpa [Samuel Collier-2].

I'm sorry [Nephew-0], but I can't be of much help.

Grandpa's father [Samuel Collier-3] came over to Windsor, Canada first, he was going to send for the rest of the family when he had saved the money. Before he could send for them he died.

After Uncle Harold and I were married we took Grandma [Anna Korda-2] & Grandpa over to Windsor to look for the cemetary. Things had changed so much Grandpa couldn't find it.

When Grandpa's Mother [Ellen Taylor-3] died, in England, he came to Windsor and worked in a nursary until he could enter the U.S. At the end of W.W. I Grandpa tried to find his brother [John Collier-2]. Some how he knew he wasn't killed in the war. He had an address, but a Bobby advised him not to go in that part of town it was very rough, so he came on home.

The lady Grandpa wrote to was a cousin. He would write and send money (small amounts) after W.W. II started the letters stopped coming. There was a picture of the cousin. I think there was at least three people in the picture. if it is anywhere it would be in the box of pictures your Dad has.

The only thing I have is a Bible that belongs to Grandpa's mother, her maiden name was Taylor. She taught Sunday School.

[Nephew-0] I wish you all the luck and hope you are able to come up with something. Take care of yourself.

Love

Aunt May [Virginia Mae Collier-1] & Uncle Harold

Families of Samuel Collier-2, Overview